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Painting Over Varnish

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Date: 07/05/2005 Topics: Home Improvement > Decorating > Bathroom | Readers Request > Decorating  
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I want to paint my bathroom vanity and door. It is varnished and I want to paint over it. Since it is in the bathroom will the paint peel off because of the moisture in the bathroom?

Pat from Ohio
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Post By Sandra (Guest Post) (03/27/2008)
I really need help. My house was in a fire in Jan.08 and the smell is still in there. Do I need to remove all the sheetrock and insulation? My daughter and I are asthmatics. I was told I can KILTZ the walls and then paint. The outside has a somewhat gold color forming on the outside walls. What are my options, I have to repair on my own.

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What difference does it make when you use methanol kilz primer instead of water-based kilz primer? Help! Science fair project!

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Post By daren wenham (Guest Post) (01/15/2007)
hi i have an old fashioned all varnished wood bathroom do i need special paint just want it white clean and fresh no hassle?

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Post By debi (Guest Post) (04/20/2006)
Behr (can be purchased at any Home Depot) has a primer that works over laminates. glass, and any other slick surface. It's in a purple can. Just apply this, then your paint color. Depending on the surface you are painting, you may want to finish with a few coats of poly (water based poly will not change the color painted, while oil based will change color to look amber-if using a white finish coat)

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Post By ann (Guest Post) (04/09/2006)
I am putting my house on the market shortly and all the doors to the bedrooms, bathrooms and closet doors look worn. I got a few quotes to replace them and it was much too expensive. How could I paint them so that they look good. I was thinking of either white or off white paint.

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Post By hannah (Guest Post) (08/25/2005)
is it possible to paint over varnish without sanding it down?

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Post By (Guest Post) (07/31/2005)
Kilz is usually water and methanol based, which may mobilize softer vernishes, rather than coaring them.

I've had good luck with TSP, light sandpapering, wipe, and then a good primer layer. Get something for high wear surfaces.

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Post by minymont (65) | (07/06/2005)
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I paint over varnish. if it is an inexpensive paint usually need to do two coats.

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Post By Annette (Guest Post) (07/06/2005)
I paint over varnish, you may have to do it twice.if you use an inexpensive paint.

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Post by hugmehugs (119) | (07/06/2005)
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All of my bedroom furniture was varnished wood but I wanted white! I just cleaned it really good with an ammonia & water solution. Then painted with Wal-Mart white enamel paint. No bleeding, no chipping. That was 5 years ago and it still looks great.

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Post by s8fhaven (6) | (07/05/2005)
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I would think that after you paint it, as long as you put on a sealant it should be all right. The sealants work for wood that is left outside in the rain and snow.
Vicki in SC

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Post by ThriftyFun (3739) | (07/05/2005)
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My sister bought a really nice house but for some reason the kitchen cupboards are made of plywood. In an attempt to make them look good, they've been varnished too many times-and each coat is THICK. She wants me to help paint them-I think they should be stripped first, she doesn't. Does anyone have any experience with painting over varnish? What kind of paint did you use? If you stripped it, did you put on a sealer and then paint?

Also, there is one cabinet that is laminated-how does one paint over that? Please help!!

Elisabeth from Milwaukee

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Post By Byron (Guest Post) (05/24/2005)
We bought Bullseye 123 primer at wal-mart. It is water based and just clean the varnished surfaces with ammonia and water and make sure you clean them well. Put on the Bullseye Primer and wait about one hour. Then paint. Have had great success.

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Post By Alisa (Guest Post) (05/19/2005)
Just for your info- I painted wood dressers, that had been previously varnished, after sanding them and putting a coat of Kiltz primer on- the varnish still bled through

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Post By Harry (Guest Post) (01/12/2005)
Does it make a difference if you use a oil base or water base Kiltz primer to paint oil or water base paint over it..??
Can you use any kind of Kiltz primer to use water base or waster base paint over it??
Please help..
Harry and thank you

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Post By Syd (Guest Post) (06/29/2004)
My suggestion is to go to the paint store, where you can get a professional opinion, and ask what should be done.

I don't think you can beat a professional opinion!

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Post by Patticat (25) | (06/29/2004)
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If you strip the cabinets, you will stilll need to sand, clean and prime them before you can paint, and the chemicals in the stripper may cause the plywood to delaminate (it may disolve the glue holding the layers together). You could use a hand stripper or a sander (palm, orbital, or belt) to remove the layers of varnish, but that will take a lot of time and is really only recommended for slab doors (doors without any decoration). If the doors have decoration or detail, you will need something like a Dremel to remove the varnish from the decoration. Or use a product called Peel Away 7 (check your local hardware store, Ace stores in some areas of the US can get it). With the Peel Away, you apply the stripper, then lay a special kind of paper on top. When the stripper is done reacting with the varnish, you "peel away" the paper and the varnish together. Once the varnish is all removed, fill any holes and scratches and allow the filler to dry. Sand the dried filler and surfaces smooth, clean the surfaces and allow to dry. Then prime with an enamel undercoater (or any interior primer that will work on wood) and paint with a quality high gloss or cabinet paint.

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Post by Patticat (25) | (06/29/2004)
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No need to use Kilz, it isn't designed to adhere to slick surfaces. Zinsser makes a primer called Cover Stain. Valspar makes one called Glossy Surface Primer. They should both work on the varnish and the laminate. With either of these, it is still best to slightly rough up the surface with 60 or 100 grit sandpaper (wear a dust mask). There is also a product called Liquid Sandpaper that claims you don't have to use sand paper, but save your money and time and just use sandpaper. Clean with a solution of TSP, rinse very well to make sure you don't leave a residue (Jomax makes a TSP that you shouldn't have to rinse). Allow the surface to dry, fill any scratches or holes with spackle or wood putty. Once the putty is dry, sand it smooth, then prime. Both of these primers are oil based so they smell very strong, make sure you have the windows open and a fan pulling air out of the room. Once the primer is dry, top coat with a quality high gloss or cabinet paint. High gloss paint will last longer and be more chip resistant than other sheen levels. You can top coat oil based primers with latex or acrylic paint. Always make sure that the primer is totally dry before applying the top coat. Use a low nap or foam roller to avoid brush marks where possible (high gloss paint is very thick and may leave brush marks if it dries to quickly). It is best if you can take the cabinet doors off and lay them out in a garage to do all this. This gives you the opportunity to really clean all the hardware.

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Post By Ann (Guest Post) (06/29/2004)
I don't know if this will work in your situation, but check out a product called Kiltz. We have used it to cover things before painting them. You will find it in the paint dept at Home Depot or Lowes and you would paint it on the cabinets as a primer. Ask someone working in the paint dept about using it for your cabinets.

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