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I have a Singer treadle machine model, #w20841. I cannot thread it. Any ideas how I can find out?
By joyce from Shawnee, OK
I've owned 3 treadles, a White & 2 Singers. They all thread in basically the same way.
These older machines are quite simple to thread & your best bet would be to find a video on U-Tube of someone demonstrating it, but if you're like me & have only dial-up internet & can't get videos, I will try to attempt describing how to do it:
HERE'S THE BASICS:
* Look at the machine diagram below & if you see in anything in "quotes" that means the item in quotes is shown in the drawing below:
FIRST: You need to know that the take-up lever needs to ALWAYS be ALL the way up before you start to you thread!
SECOND: Any time you move the "Machine Pulley" wheel (the wheel to the right that moves the needle up & down) you ALWAYS need to turn it towards you which would be Counter-clockwise & NEVER turn it clock-wise!
THIRD: To know WHICH DIRECTION to thread the machines needle from (in ANY machine) you look where the last thread guide is & if it is in the front, you'd thread the needle from the front, if the last thread guide is on the left side, you would thread the needle from the left
BASIC THREADING DIRECTIONS:
1) Put the thread on the "Spool Pin" (facing either way)
2) Then pull strand of thread over to your left & slide it in the first thread guide you come to (not shown on drawing)
3) You will see the round "Tension" dial (with numbers on it). Put the thread inside the dial from the right to the left under then BETWEEN the 2 round circle/disc plates
4) Now bring the thread up & into the "Take-Up Lever" & thread it from right to left
5) Then bring thread down through the next 2 or 3 thread guides
---> Almost all machines thread like this: First through a thread guide, then down & through the upper tension, then up through the take-up lever, then down through the thread guides & into the needle.
BOBBIN THREADING: (there are 2 types)
1) If you have a "drop-in" bobbin & put the bobbin in so if you pull on the thread, the bobbin would spin counter-clockwise. Slide back the metal plate that covers the bobbin, drop the bobbin into the machine, then slide the thread in to a slot which is the Bottom Tension & slide the plate back in.
2) If your bobbin casing is the kind that comes out & you remove from the machine, have the thread bobbin thread face the same way, then pull the thread into the little slot, (near a tiny screw, this screw is the bobbin tension).
You need to get your bobbin thread up. To do this, simply hold on to the top thread with your left hand while you spin the "Machine Pulley Wheel" towards you (counter-clockwise) with your right hand & the bobbin thread will come out & be on the top. Each time you sew, it helps if you hold the 2 threads in you fingers while you sew the first couple of stitches so the bobbin thread doesn't get sucked back down into the machine.
---> This sounds very difficult, but it's super-easy if someone showed you how... It's just hard to write it all out!
MORE THREADING DIRECTIONS FOR OLD TREADLES:
FIND THE AGE OF YOUR SINGER BY SERIAL NUMBER:
PARTS & MANUALS FOR SINGER TREADLES:
Your antique machine will need to be oiled before you use it! Find directions on how to oil on the Singer site or on the web. It's super-easy! Don't pay someone to do it for you! ...If you care for this machine, it will last another 2 or 3-hundred years! It would also help if you take some canned-air & a little paintbrush to clean & blow away any dust & lint that's accumulated inside the bobbin, underneath & in the upper machine.
* ALSO: Some old machines are timed differently & need to be re-timed so our modern needles work with them. So if your machine is having problems, maybe it hasn't been timed to modern specifications. I don't know much about this, I just know that they needed to do this to one of my treadles. Here's some more info:
HOW TO ADJUST ROTARY HOOK TIMING:
MAINTAINCE OF ANTIQUE SEWING MACHINES:
This one is asking $276. www.ebay.com/
I would not take anything below $150.00 to $200.00 since yours in in such good shape.
Looks like your machine is in very good condition but the problem with treadle machines is the cost of shipping such a heavy piece.
This means the machines are usually posted in ads as "pick up only" and the value may depend on where you are located and if your area is "into" vintage sewing machines.
Here is a link about White history:
Great piece!! Cybergrannie gave you a lot of good info!!
The only thing I can add is what I see in my area, which is the cabinets can sell for way more without the machine as a lot of people turn these into things like bathroom vanity cabinets. I had my heart set on one for years, but could never afford it. I have seen them fetch in the high $400s for cabinets that are in pristine shape.
I settled for a nice store bought piece so I am out of the market for the cabinet. But if you wanted to separate the machine from the cabinet you may fetch more for them separately than together.
Post back what you decide!! Thanks for sharing!! I love old sewing goodies!!!
I also have an Eldridge treadle with same markings, but mine does not have the National Sewing Machine Company badge and I don't see national anywhere. I am dying to know the age. My number on machine is 2031395 (the number 1 is not really clear, but that's my take on it). I just got it today and saw your blog about another treadle. Mine says "the Eldridge" on the front and the back says improved elder edge "B", but no badge on front where the one you are talking about has one. Mine is just more beautiful scroll painting there.
Eldridge became the Janome company. Contact their customer service.
Someone may be able to supply more information if you post several pictures of your machine as many owners/sellers do not list a serial number so it is difficult to supply relevant information about your particular machine. Generally, the more nice pictures supplied, the more information that can be found.
If the serial number on your treadle machine is located on the front or side, it was made after 1959. If you can go on google and pull up photos of treadle se
wing machines, you might be able to get a more specific date.
These machines have such beauty, both historically and sentimentally.
Have a blessed day:)
Did you get more info?
This website gives a little history of the brand:
I like looking at this site also as they are collectors and often know details like you are seeking:
Post back what you learn with a photo! I love old sewing machines!! They are so elegant and functional!
My question is this. I can't seem to find any information on when she was made or where for that matter. It does have a serial number 1311592, but nothing else. It has a decal on the front of the arm that says, "The Eldredge" and on the back of the arm it says, "Improved Eldredge B". I've researched a lot and every image I seem to pull up doesn't match my treadle. I've found manuals a plenty of another Improved Eldredge, it's similar, but not at all exact.
I would just like to get a date because I want to set up a memory book with his late grandmother and great grandmother and any information I can find about this particular model. So that when it's not in use (I do plan to use it) this memory book and pics of the grandmothers can rest on top.
So any info on a possible date would be so greatly appreciated.
In June of 1890, Eldridge was consolidated with the National Sewing Machine Company. Your machine is at least that old. ismacs.net/
Perhaps this blog can help! Maybe the author has additional sources.
Your idea is lovely! It is so sweet to preserve history like this!!
There is a lot of information about the Eldredge and National Sewing Machines but not a lot of actual information that makes it possible for just "anyone" to date one of these machines.
I think for your purposes you can safely put 1890's and it will be great. You can also put in a note re the manufacturer and how important the sewing machine was to the development of society in ways that we completely overlook nowadays
l've been looking at buying a treadle sewing machine and have seen one, but I haven't heard of the brand before. Can anyone help me with any information about a U.S.A machine?
It is made by the White company, and is a very good brand.
I'm not familiar with the U.S.A. brand but Judy is probably right about it being made by White as White did make several "clone" machines for other companies (especially Sears) before they closed shop in 2006.
There is a sewing machine forum that will answer questions like this but you do have to join their site. It is free to join but does cost to become a member. You can ask your question but you will need pictures of the complete machine as well as pictures of all logos and a list of any information on the machine.
Here is a link to their site but this may not be of interest if the machine is inexpensive or you decide not to buy.
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I need the name of a company that sells treadle sewing machines.
Mary from AR
Have you tried Lehman's Non Electric Catalog? They are based in Kidron, Ohio, USA and sell a lot to the Amish.
There are two companies that make modern treadle sewing machines. Janome, the 712T is a nice looking machine. The other company is Singer that makes a dual electric/treadle. You need to have a treadle table for either machine. I would like to purchase a Janome, but am having trouble finding a treadle table. There are no modern day manufactures that I can fine, and I hate to destroy an antique to acquire a table. (05/31/2009)
Janome 712T Treadle Machine janome.com