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Circuit Breaker Keeps Tripping

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Date: 10/06/2009 Topics: Readers Request > Repair | Repair > Home > Electrical  
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I have a breaker that is tripping every couple of days. It services 6 outlets on our family room. 2 have nothing in them, 2 have a single 23w CF fixture, one is used to charge laptops, and one powers our entertainment center (sound system, satellite receiver, DVD player, plasma TV, Xbox).

The breaker is not hot when it trips, and it usually happens in the middle of the night when the equipment (all except the sat receiver) are off. How often do breakers go "bad"? I'm quite comfortable swapping out the 15A breaker myself, but if the problem persists, I assume it is the result of a short and requires a tone generator, etc. Thoughts?

By JonesyPHD from San Diego, CA

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By lyndagayle62 (252) Profile Blog! Contact
Whatever you do, have it checked by an electrician. My daughter in law's brother bought an older two story. One evening their great Dane began barking loudly one cold night from another room, waking the family to smoke everywhere. They all escaped with their lives, thanks to the precious dog who was found dead with it's paws over it's eyes in the totally crisp charred remains! The cause was found to be a bad breaker box that overheated! Your lives are too valuable to cut corners or to guess in this area! God bless and help you. : )

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By JonesyPHD (2) Contact
Thanks to all! I bought a 15A replacement last night and I'm going to pop it in tonight. I've read some posts about tone generators for locating shorts, etc. Does anyone have any experience with them and can give me the 10 sec "how-to" version. For the record, if it's not a breaker I'm hiring an electrician. I'm just curious about the tone generator and it's uses.

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By zoodad (47) Profile Contact
First and foremost do not put in a 20amp breaker as suggested above. Breakers don't usually get hot unless they don't trip as designed and go under a long overload. They are usually thermo-magnetic and the pieces of metal inside that trip under an overload condition heat much quicker than the case.

The easiest thing, since you are comfortable making the change, is for the $10 it costs put in a new breaker that matches you panel. If the tripping stops it was the breaker. If not, start looking for something that cycles on during the night that might be on the circuit that you don't know about. Many times something is tied into a circuit that you would never guess was there.

Do you have something that turns on automatically during the night? A freezer, fridge or water softener on a timer can cause the problem. Could there be outside outlets tied into the circuit? Energy theft is becoming more of a problem as people struggle with utility bills in a bad economy.

And another thought, a loose wire at a device-switch or receptacle- can cause the breaker to trip. With the breaker off test each recept to make sure it doesn't have power-no since getting zapped by assuming all power is off when it isn't- and remove the recpet and look for damaged or burnt wiring or loose connections.

I've been in wholesale electrical distribution for 23+ years and it scares me when people say you can put a larger breaker in. Breakers are sized to the wire to protect the circuit.If your breaker tripped, be thankful it did it's job and protected you. Even if it is getting weak you have been blessed to not have a more serious problem. Good luck with your problem. At least you didn't lose your heat or food in the fridge.

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By Cajun62234 (156) Profile Contact
Your 15A CB will accommodate 12amps (1440watts) safely. I doubt that your entertainment system & satellite receiver is capable of drawing that much wattage. I'd suspect a bad CB or short. Probing with an amp meter should locate a problem. If your wiring is ok, and is #12AWG, then a 20A CB can safely be installed. There is so much diversity in sizing a residential elect. panel, there would be no reasons to not up size the CB provided all loads have been tabulated and shorts have been addressed.

Yes, if the branch circuit wiring is #12AWG, a 20amp CB is safe and legal... however this doesn't answer why his 15a CB is tripping...generally #14awg is not installed as branch circuit wiring but Contractors have been known to install 15a CB in lieu of 20a CB for #12awg branch circuits....only to save a penny or two..

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By foxrun41 (239) Profile Contact
It sounds more like the circuit is over loaded. If the breaker was defective is would trip at any time not just at night. I run my computer and other electronics on a dedicated circuit. My air conditioners and other electical items also have their own dedicated circuits.

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By JonesyPHD (2) Contact
Thanks for the reply. It's a standard 15A breaker in a relatively new track home (2001). I bought a clamp-on amp meter last night to test the electronics. I know the TV is a vampire (still drawing some, albeit small amperage, while not on).

You would agree that it sounds like an overload, and not a short? If it was a short, it should trip and re-trip the breaker right? Not go 2-3 days between trips.

Thanks!

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By pamphyila (598) Profile Blog! Contact
From what I understand, electronics can draw electricity when they are plugged in even when not "on." You are obviously overloading a circuit. Try unplugging your electronics before you go to bed (Esp. the phone charger which doesn't have to be reprogrammed.) - or find out through trial and error what the circuit will tolerate. FYI plasma TVs are really energy hogs and may very well be enough for overload on an old circuit. And just because the outlets are in the same room doesn't mean they are on the same circuit. In my apartment living room one side is on one circuit and the other side the other. We have run extensions across the room to the other circuit to accommodate AC units. And my hubby is learning not to run a particular AC unit while using the coffee maker + microwave in the kitchen!

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I have a 15 amp breaker that started tripping last night. I unplugged everything on that circuit and it still trips. I even replaced the breaker with a 20 amp breaker from another circuit and it trips. Any ideas?

By JtownEsquire from Johnstown, PA

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RE: Circuit Breaker Keeps Tripping

My husband suggests that you have a short in the wiring somewhere and the circuit breaker is doing what it is suppose to do if that is the case. (09/14/2009)

By Lorelei

RE: Circuit Breaker Keeps Tripping

NEVER put a larger breaker on a smaller circuit. It is sized to protect the wire that is installed and all devices that are attached, putting a larger size breaker can cause over-heating and a fire. My suggestion would be first to look for something on the circuit you don't know about. With the breaker off, check every receptacle and switch to see which ones don't have power-you may be surprised by what is on the circuit.

Second, go with the first person's post and start checking for a short. This would involve removing the devices that aren't working and looking for burnt or damaged wires. If it can't be found this way hire an electrician. With the tools at their disposal, they can find a short in no time. (09/14/2009)

By zoodad

RE: Circuit Breaker Keeps Tripping

Put the old 15 Amp breaker back in, and don't ever admit to anybody, that you put a larger breaker in. That can void your insurance and even get your electricity cut off. Hire an electrician.

A competent electrician will put a "tone" from a 9 Volt tone generator onto that wire and follow it with a tone paddle, that traces from a few feet away where the electricity flows to. It could be that a nail or screw is shorting the wire to the metal siding or the plumbing, or it could be that a wire has come loose in an outlet or fixture.

A bigger breaker will just burn the trailer or house down or kill somebody. That is a very costly and inconclusive way to find where the short is. The "tone" or warbler doesn't damage anything and can not hurt even a baby, but it tells a professional instantly where the problem is. Have fun. DearWebby http://webby.com/humor/blog (09/14/2009)

By DearWebby

RE: Circuit Breaker Keeps Tripping

Just because something is plugged in, but not turned on, does not mean it is not a "load" to a circuit. (09/14/2009)

By Carol L.

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Archived on 09/14/2009

My 15 amp circuit breaker keeps tripping. The only things that it operates are the garage door opener and the garage lights. I unplugged the garage door opener and turned off light and flipped back on, but it still trips.

When it does trip I can see an electric current or spark in the wire where it goes through the panel and out the bottom of the fuse box. Never any problems before, do you have any ideas? Thanks.

By Madcalf from Indianapolis, IN

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RE: Circuit Breaker Keeps Tripping

There are some things best left to professionals. Electricity is one of them. If you can see sparks you have a potentially serious problem. Don't mess with it yourself. (07/31/2009)

By grannygirl

RE: Circuit Breaker Keeps Tripping

A ditto on grannygirl's advice. Sounds like you have a short somewhere in that circuit that is tripping the breaker. It may be in the circuit breaker itself, they can "go bad" over time. However, a competent electrician can fix this problem for you properly and safely. It is not something for the novice to mess with.

As a member of this website, we want to save money, but do so wisely. Paying for an electrician to do the job correctly may be a little costly up front, but it may save us money in the long run by not having our home burn down because of faulty wiring. It may not cost as much as you think to call in a pro. Nockmoi (07/31/2009)

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Archived on 07/29/2009

I have a 20 amp breaker with red test button. The only thing running off it is a microwave. The breaker has never tripped till about 2 weeks ago. Can the breaker just be worn out and if so would it just trip any time you put some power to it? Thanks.

Thomas

By thurst from Champaign, IL

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RE: Circuit Breaker Keeps Tripping

Here's what my husband says: Try plugging something else into the outlet and see if the breaker still trips off. If it doesn't then it is your microwave causing the problem, but a breaker can wear out. (06/22/2009)

By Lorelei

RE: Circuit Breaker Keeps Tripping

Replace that breaker with a proper 15 Amp breaker. A 20 Amp breaker does not give you any protection on a 15 Amp line. The breaker or fuse is supposed to be the weakest link, not the strongest.

A breaker with a red test button is a GFI breaker. It trips not just when it's rating (20 A) is exceeded, but also when there is 40 Milli-Amp of current creeping to ground. That is 0.040 Amp. A baby will get very noisy, but not injured by 50 Milli-Amp. That is why GFIs are required for outdoor outlets and other areas where kids might play unsupervised.

If a brand new 15 Amp GFI breaker trips the same way as the illegal 20 Amp GFI breaker did, then you have current creeping to ground somewhere. If your home has metal siding, it would be a very good idea to get that checked out by an electrician immediately. Even though the GFI will prevent death by electrocution, somebody can get a very nasty shock. And, a creeping short to ground can easily set the place on fire. If the creeping short is in the microwave, touching it and the stove or sink at the same time can get you dancing like a magician quite instantly. Best get it checked out as soon as possible. Have fun. (06/22/2009)

By DearWebby

RE: Circuit Breaker Keeps Tripping

You have an Arc fault breaker which trips faster than a GFI. Do you have an amp meter? If so, start the microwave and see how many amps the microwave pulls. If your meter shows over 18 the breaker will trip. You know there's a short in the microwave. If your meter doesn't show it is drawing over 18 then yes, you have a bad breaker. GFI plug ins are for around a wet area such as a sink etc. Arc fault trips quicker to stop a fire in your house. Hope this helps. (06/23/2009)

By nightrain71

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Archived on 06/22/2009

My circuit breaker keeps tripping without a load on it. I have a pool cover, a light, and sprinkler timer on the circuit. None of them run at the same time. Even if they do they still will not trip the circuit breaker. When you leave everything off it still trips the breaker, without anything on.

By twmackey from Spokane, WA

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RE: Circuit Breaker Keeps Tripping

It could simply be a bad breaker. I used to be an apartment manager and on occasion we had to have them changed. It is also possible, since you noted you have them hooked to items associated with water, that you may have a short somewhere that is wet causing it to throw the breaker. In which case you need to find out ASAP before someone gets hurt. (05/24/2009)

By SusLuvsVintage

RE: Circuit Breaker Keeps Tripping

Personally I wouldn't try to fix it without an electrician around me. One spark from a faulty breaker could burn down your whole house without you being there even. Hire an electrician for your family's and your safety. (05/29/2009)

By Paula Jo C.

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Archived on 05/24/2009

I have a 15 amp Federal Pacific Stab-Lok circuit breaker that keeps tripping. In the house the lights flicker every once in a while. On the circuit I have mainly lights and an old GE upright freezer. When it does trip and when I switch it back sometimes I hear a spark like noise which eventually goes away.

I suspect the obvious which is probably the load my freezer requires and maybe the circuit breaker. Any ideas? Also, on this circuit the breaker is a 15 Amp and the wiring is at least 10/2 or 12/2. Would it be acceptable to replace the 15 Amp circuity breaker with a 20 Amp circuit breaker? Without even looking I'm assuming that the outlets are probably 15 Amp. The house I live in was built in 1969.

Gregory from Seattle, WA

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RE: Circuit Breaker Keeps Tripping

The circuit breaker was faulty. Replacing it with an identical model solved my problems. (02/24/2009)

By Gregory

RE: Circuit Breaker Keeps Tripping

If the circuit breaker is tripping, you have too much load. Get an electrician to run a separate circuit with its own circuit breaker. It has nothing to do with magnetized screws, replacing wiring between the breaker and the outlet.

To prove you have too much load on that circuit, turn every thing off that is wired to that breaker. Then turn on each receptacle with the freezer being the last item to be turned on. (02/24/2009)

By Harry

RE: Circuit Breaker Keeps Tripping

Your local building department may not approve of a 20 amp breaker, but that is what I would do. Keep an eye and ear on it for a while, the amp change is not enough to get excited about. Or you may just have a breaker about to go. Good luck. Leo (02/25/2009)

By Leo the repair guy

RE: Circuit Breaker Keeps Tripping

For someone who is very handy with house electrical work, it would be possible to replace the breaker. Don't replace it with anything but the same size and brand, and watch out while working inside the main panel, especially if not all breakers are in it. It is easy to touch something that will fry you (e.g. if a screwdriver slips). If I had the slightest doubt about what I was doing, I'd do what Joe suggested and let a professional electrician take the risk. If he quotes you a lot of pricey repairs, get a second opinion. (03/19/2009)

By Red Neck

RE: Circuit Breaker Keeps Tripping

Whatever you do, don't count on an AFCI from Home Depot or one of the other big box stores. I am an electrician and once went through about 4 or 5 of them. I spent a lot of time testing and tracing only to eventually go to my wholesaler and the breaker purchased there worked just fine. If it comes in a bubble pack, it's got to go back. Beyond that, looks like there's some rewiring in your future. (04/30/2009)

By az516

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Archived on 02/24/2009

I purchased the home I'm now in three years ago. One bedroom is tripping a circuit breaker (Arc Fault) in a deteriorating fashion where within a 24 hour period it is now unable to maintain service. Anything plugged in and turned on causes a fault; including fans, lights or a clock-radio. So far the only thing that does not cause a fault is the small LED circuit tester. I changed circuit breakers, but no joy. If a screw on an outlet were to become magnetized, could this be a source of the problem? Any ideas? No nails have been used on the walls recently.

Bill from San Antonio, TX

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RE: Circuit Breaker Keeps Tripping

Don't worry about magnetic screws. It makes no difference at all whether screws are magnetic or not. I would replace the outlet. If that does not instantly and permanently fix the problem, then you will have to replace the wiring between the breaker and the outlet. Either the outlet or the wiring seems to be leaking through a weak connection, through wet insulation, or to the siding. If you have metal siding, don't touch it! It could be a shocking experience! Expect your electricity bill to be noticeably higher until the problem is fixed. (03/06/2006)

By Webby

RE: Circuit Breaker Keeps Tripping

Another thing I'd do is check to see if I needed a larger circuit breaker/more amperage for all the appliances you plug into that outlet, or on that circuit. (03/06/2006)

By gator10tx

RE: Circuit Breaker Keeps Tripping

First thing is to make sure your not overloading the breaker. Do not put more than 12Amps on a 15Amp breaker or 80%. They are only rated for continuous duty at 80% unless you have 100% rated commercial breakers.

Next you need to remove the receptacle and inspect the wiring. The receptacle screws could be shorting against the box, or the insulation could be damaged from a poor installation and it's shorting. Make sure the wires are properly tucked in the box without the ground wire coming up and hitting the receptacle screws causing a short. Also make sure the strap holding the cable isn't too tight. This also would cause nuisance tripping. It's only meant to hold the wire from being ripped out during construction. Do not clamp down on the wire. The receptacle and ground wire in the box will hold the wire in place. Most beginners assume you need to clamp it down good so it doesn't move. This is false, just enough to hold it in place so it's not all loose, nothing more.

If it still trips, replace the breaker. Some arc faults, GFCIs, or regular breakers can be faulty and always trip regardless of the circuit being good or bad. If after replacing the breaker it still trips assume that your wiring is damaged and shorting. Use a multimeter and ohm or continuity tester to check if your cables are shorted in the wall. If so it's time for some destruction and replacing of the wires. You could check the wires for a short before replacing the breaker to avoid the trouble and cost of the breaker. This is guaranteed to solve your problem. It cannot be anything else. If it still trips then your plugging something faulty in that keeps tripping the breaker. (01/09/2008)

By Donnie

RE: Circuit Breaker Keeps Tripping

For all of you that have both asked questions or replied to them your answer is easy. Call a qualified electrician to come find and fix your problem. It could be any number of things but the qualified person can solve it, and you will not burn down your house, or shock yourself.

(10/23/2008)

By Joe

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