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What Make of China is This Plate?

Hello. Im looking to find out the make/pottery brand of this set of plates which belonged to my grandmother. The stamp is too smudged to read but it looks like the symbol is a crown above some sort of shield. Thanks

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April 14, 20210 found this helpful

I believe this is by the brand Nymphenburg, and the shape is called Rococo

This is the little Replacements.com has on it.

2343 (Rococo Shape)
by Nymphenburg

Item#: 266459 Pattern Code: NYM2343R
Description: Rococo, Landscape/Scroll, Swags On Rim
Pattern: 2343 (Rococo Shape) by Nymphenburg

I am still trying to confirm, but this may get you started. I will circle back when I can get to my other sources of info!

Once I confirm pattern, I can help you value it!

Thanks!

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April 14, 20210 found this helpful

I can't find anything with the pattern name. I just see these called Nymphenburg Floral Reticulated (plate or bowl whatever piece it is). There is a lighter blue one on eBay now with a $225 starting price.

I am going to see if I can find an add for it when it sold originally so we know how old it is. If I locate that, I will post back!

Solds have no similar pieces (with this level or detail).

If it was mine, I would do one of two things--start it high ($300 and take best offer) or do it as a 7 day auction starting at $225 and see if the value increases.

Be aware this is a very, very, very fragile piece and needs to be double boxed so that it does not touch the inner box and the inner box does not touch the outer box (at least 2 inches around in both. This will impact shipping costs, but it is critical to it getting there in one piece.

This is very pretty! I hope you get a nice windfall from your sale!

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April 15, 20210 found this helpful

Thank you so much for all the info!
Is the price you mention for a complete service or per plate? Unfortunately I dont have a complete service. A set of 3 identical plates and 1 matching bowl has survived. Thanks

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April 15, 20210 found this helpful

Also do you know a rough date for their period of manufacture ?

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April 15, 20210 found this helpful

The value I saw was for an asking price (NOT SOLD) on one plate that was a slightly lighter blue. Here is the link: www.ebay.com/.../124419800251?_trkparms=aid%3D111001...

If it sells, that will establish current market value for that piece--yours COULD be similar--but I am all about apples to apples and this is a Fuji to a Red Delicious--not Fuji to Fuji in the apple matching.

The company is still around. Here is a link:
www.nymphenburg.com/.../history

Not sure the age of your piece. Was not able to find it quoted in my sources. Maybe the company can help you place it. Please post back what they tell you so we can have the info for all!!

We love to learn on this site!! Thanks!

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April 15, 20210 found this helpful

I tried again this time with just the brand and the word china and I believe this is your piece which is from a 1902 Pittsburgh newspaper! This says it is a close out--so it is possible was made earlier than that and they are closing out the odd pieces.

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April 15, 20210 found this helpful

This beautiful ornate china Nymphenburg rococo is a rare set. You can contact the number 1 china and collectables, Replacements. They carry or have the knowledge on this piece and others. This site also buys and sells china , if you are looking to sell or complete a collection. - www.replacements.com/search?query=nymphenburg+rococo

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April 15, 20210 found this helpful

This plate is just beautiful and should hold a prominent place in some elegant display.
It's still nice that you have 3 plates and a bowl as this may not be as rare as someone may think but rare enough to not be 'common'.
When I first saw your plate I knew that I had seen something very similar but could not remember where. I finally remembered that I had seen it in a Masterpiece Theater movie about an a wealthy family that lived in the 1800's. Several very similar pieces were on tables and sideboards so I think it's probably from the 1800's.
I had also found this listing and the seller mentions '1890's' but since you cannot trust that a seller really knows this information or could they be 'estimating' you cannot always rely on info like this.
www.ebay.com/.../124419800251?_trkparms=aid%3D111001...

I have been enthraled with PGHgirl's messages so much that I felt there was no need to dig anymore as she had provided so much - and then she keeps finding more!

I also feel these are special enough to list each piece individually and start with a high price - $300+ - with offers considered or start an auction with a price that you would be satisfied with should it receive only one bid.
PGHgirl has provided excellent information to put in your listing - much more than most sellers have.

Facebook Marketplace seems to be gaining popularity so that may be a good site to try, along with other sites you may know about.

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April 16, 20210 found this helpful

The backstamp (mark) on your plate belongs to Nymphenburg. The Nymphenburg Porcelain Manufactory was founded by Elector Max III in the "Grüne Schlössl" in Neudeck in 1747. Initially efforts to produce porcelain weren't successful. The technology was developed only in 1754. Since 1761 the manufactory has been located in a part of Nymphenburg Castle (Munich, Bavaria, Germany). Seven years after Elector Max III Joseph of Bavaria ordered that all porcelains be marked with an image of the Wittelsbach coat of arms with diamonds. In first half of 19th century financial situation deteriorated and in 1856 artistic production was halted. This company was privatized and produced only technical, medical and sanitary porcelain. Only in 1887 new owner Albert Bäuml decided to restore artistic traditions of the firm.

The marks have changed slightly over the years, so I can say exactly in what period your plate was made. Blue Nymphenburg mark was used from 1895 to 1910 (see attached screenshot).

About pattern.
I found plates with the same pattern as yours, but blue www.ebay.co.uk/.../402751921313?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid..., www.ebay.co.uk/.../293035602458?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid.... The sellers indicate a strange pattern number, I have not found confirmation of this. This pattern number does not exist on replacements.com. And these sellers call this pattern Nymphenburg Reticulated www.ebay.com/.../124419800251, www.ebay.pl/.../192418881621?roken=cUgayN. It seems to me that these sellers did not identify this pattern at all.

Here is the name of this pattern:
Pattern: 1012 (Pierced, Gold Trim) by Nymphenburg
Pattern Code: NYM1012P
Description: Pierced Rim, Scalloped, Floral Center, Gold
You can check it here: www.replacements.com/.../273656.
The replacements.com shows white plates with this pattern, but in the description they do not indicate that plates with this pattern were only white, which means that plates with this pattern can be of a different color. I found the same dark blue plates as yours antiqueland.ru/.../ (I think $ 330 is too much).

So you have Antique Nymphenburg Pierced Rim Scalloped Floral Center Gold Plate NYM1012P Hand Painted 1895-1910.
The price is about $115-225 (I don't now the size of your plate).

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April 16, 20210 found this helpful

I don't know why, but only half of my answer has been posted.

About pattern.
I found plates with the same pattern as yours, but blue: www.ebay.co.uk/.../293035602458?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid...
Sellers indicate a strange number for this picture. I have not found confirmation of this. A pattern with such a number does not exist on replacements.com. And these sellers call this pattern www.ebay.pl/.../192418881621?roken=cUgayN

Here is your pattern:
1012 (Pierced, Gold Trim) by NYMPHENBURG
Pattern Code: NYM1012P
Description: Pierced Rim, Scalloped, Floral Center, Gold
Pattern: 1012 (Pierced, Gold Trim) by Nymphenburg
You can check it here: www.replacements.com/.../273656

I found the same dark blue plates as yours:

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April 16, 20210 found this helpful

Thank you all the fascinating information and for the time you have all spent on this!
Im attaching some more photos of the bowl and plate again for your information. The plates are 18cm diameter and the bowl is 15cm. The bowl sadly has a chip on the underside de but the plates are all in perfect condition.
I knew they were beautiful pieces but didnt realise how special they are. I have contacted Replacements.com to see how they ascribe value.

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April 16, 20210 found this helpful

Lovely!! Thank you for sharing!! Please post back with the info replacements gives you. I am curious what they will say. Thanks so much!!

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April 17, 20210 found this helpful

Sadly Replacements.com have not come back with any offer although unsure why.

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April 17, 20210 found this helpful

That was what I was afraid would happen. There are two reasons, I believe for the answer. 1. There is just not enough demand so they don't want to stock and 2. Since the pandemic so many people have very little money to spend and they are not replacing broken china because they cannot afford it, and many want to sell said china to pay for food.

If you are an experienced reseller, you could post it to eBay or Etsy and let it sit to sell. It may take away (see two reasons above). Etsy you would be out the listing fee. eBay it should fall under your free listings a month (or if you are experienced) your store fees so there may be a small ongoing cost to keep it listed.

You could (which is the safest option) see if an antique store or consignment shop would take it on consignment for you. You will fetch much less than what you may fetch if you sell it yourself online, but if they pay upfront, you get cash in hand, and if they pay consignment, you get cash (usually half of what they get) when they sell.

Or, you could enjoy these pretty pieces and pass them down (with the history) to the next generation! They are beautiful!! This has been fun to read and study!

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