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Information About Porcelain Doll?

A porcelain bride doll.I just found this doll at a yard sale my ten year old had to have! I told him as long as it stays in his room I'm ok with it (creepy!). I was just curious if anyone is familiar with the stamp on the back and knows anything about it.

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Marking on the back of a porcelain doll's neck.
 
A porcelain bride doll from the back.
 
Shoes on a porcelain doll's feet.
 

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September 2, 20210 found this helpful
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Please do not get confused with what you have. You have a reproduction (critical word) of a mold used for antique dolls.

This article offers a good explanation:

ourpastimes.com/tell-antique-reproduction-bisque...

The reason this caveat is so important is a buyer (new buyers mostly--pros are wise to all of this) want to know if it is ORIGINAL doll or a repro--the name and year scratched into it is almost a 100% sure sign it is a repro piece.

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A true original antique doll can sell in the high hundreds; a repro in the low $20s, although for every rule there are exceptions and some true antieues can go into the thousands and the repros into the high hundreds...dolls are a supply and demand based commodity....high demand and low supply drive up prices. In a market (like now--with high supply of repro and antiques) and low demand drives DOWN prices. I sold a true 1800s antique doll several years ago for just under $1,000. Today that same gal would barely make me $500 because there are so many on the market.

You can search eBay solds to see current market values for a real piece vs. a repro for your mold.

Hope this helps!! She is lovely! Hope you can fetch on the high end of the market for her. Remember she is VERY fragile and if you do sell her online she needs to be carefully wrapped in white tissue paper, then bubble wrap, then boxed, with padding pellets so she is at least 2 inches away from the box sides, then THAT box needs to go in a bigger box with the same padding pellets so the boxes never touch.

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September 3, 20210 found this helpful

This doll has mark with the year 1985, so it certainly cannot be antique. But this is really a Kammer & Reinhardt doll.

I know that there is quite a bit of information on the Internet about Kammer & Reinhardt doll maker. I think you've read the history of the Kammer & Reinhardt company, the years 1886-1932 are indicated everywhere. But the truth is that the Kammer & Reinhardt doll factory continued to exist. In the 1980s, Thuringia (Germany) became the commercial center for world doll production. The top trio of doll makers were Kestner, Heinrich Handwerck and Kämmer and Reinhardt. There is so little information available to people about the Kämmer and Reinhardt doll factory, most likely because it was located in East Germany. Patricia Schoonmaker wrote a little about this in Research on Kammer & Reinhardt dolls www.amazon.com/.../B002IG2PPC,?tag=thrif06-20 (Affiliate Link) but she couldn't find much information either. She mainly tried to identify the Kammer & Reinhardt dolls by looking for the owners of such dolls.

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So if you see that sellers write, for example on ebay, that they have Kammer & Reinhardt dolls, then there is no deception, their dolls were really made by Kammer & Reinhardt. They just don't write that they have antique dolls. Who is the manufacturer of these dolls? Kammer & Reinhardt. But the style of the dolls made after 1932 is the reproduction of Kammer Reinhardt, since this factory used copies of old Kammer & Reinhardt molds.

And the price of Kammer & Reinhardt dolls made in the 1980s cannot be lower than $20. The price of such dolls is about $75 (maybe a little less, but I haven't seen less $50; maybe $100).
In a previous answer, I found 1985 Kammer & Reinhardt Doll without dress with the price $63.
I found a seller who has a more accurate description:

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Vintage 1985 Kammer Reinhardt West Germany 2 Dolls Hansel Gretel Pair Boy & Girl www.ebay.com/.../302622356999 The price of two 15" dolls is $225, so the price of one doll is about $112.
In the description, the seller wrote:
Manufacturer: Kammer Reinhardt
Style: reproduction Kammer Reinhardt.

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September 5, 20210 found this helpful
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You don't have an antique Kämmer & Reinhardt doll, but a Reproduction Kämmer & Reinhardt doll 1985. I tried to find out which mold number was used to make your doll, but the photo is not good. The fact is that not all molds of Kämmer & Reinhardt dolls are identified (people do not know how dolls with some molds looked). Your doll has three digites, the last two are 17, the first one seems to be 4.

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But Kämmer & Reinhardt dolls with mold 417 are not identified! Mold 117 is quite common. A lot of reproductions were made using mold 117. I also tried to compare your doll with mold 117, it seems to me that they have different chins. Please write 417 or 117? If your doll really has the number 417, then your doll helps people understand what Kämmer & Reinhardt dolls with mold 417 looked like.

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September 1, 20210 found this helpful

It is a McNees mold. The signature is Peggy in 1985. This means someone used this mold and made her own doll in 1985.

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September 2, 20211 found this helpful

You have Kämmer & Reinhardt doll.
Your doll has behind her head the logo of the Kämmer & Reinhardt doll company in the form of a six-pointed star with letters K&R, you can see this mark here www.dollreference.com/doll-marks-k.html.

The Kämmer & Reinhardt doll company was formed in 1886 in Waltershausen, Thüringia, Germany by Ernst Kämmer and Franz Reinhardt.
From 1886 to 1909 K & R made only dolly faced dolls with a bisque head on a composition ball jointed or kid body, many with an open mouth and teeth. After 1909 they made many types of dolls; bisque, composition or celluloid heads and even cloth costume dolls with wired bodies dressed in various professions.
K & R is probably best known for character baby and child dolls.
de.wikipedia.org/.../K%C3%A4mmer_%26_Reinhardt
The Kämmer & Reinhardt doll company had a reputation for making the finest dolls sold exclusively in the finest toy stores and department stores.

Your doll has a K star R marking on the back of the head (Kämmer & Reinhardt doll's company's mark), below it says McNees mold, below there is a mold number, but I cannot make out the numbers in your photo. These numbers would help provide more accurate information about your doll. There is a list of Kämmer & Reinhardt Doll Mold Numbers Identified: www.dollreference.com/kammer_reinhardt_dolls.html
Below your doll has mark 'Peggy 85'. In 1985, the doll was painted and got her name Peggy.
You have not written what size your doll is. You can check the prices of Kämmer & Reinhardt dolls here: www.ebay.com/.../i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057...
www.etsy.com/search?q=kammer%20reinhardt%20doll
8" Kammer & Reinhardt (K Tradmark R 114) Bisque Doll Inez 1985 painted (Loose jointed, missing hair & clothes, not sure if porcelain or bisque) is on sale for $ 63 www.ebay.com/.../163630178657
17" K & R Doll 57 Bisque Kammer & Reinhardt Signed is on sale for $49.99 www.ebay.com/.../224548313591
There are also expensive Kämmer & Reinhardt dolls, but they are identified by the mold number as the first dolls, for example The First Character Doll "Kaiser baby" with the mold #100 is on sale for EUR 420 www.ebay.com/.../324188263575.

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